1:03:04
steps into
the witness box in Toronto.
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Devastation
reigns all around.
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The prosecution
and the judge...
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were in a visible
state of panic.
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I could see
the facial muscles
working in the judge.
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I could see the pale face
of the prosecutor.
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This was history-making.
That was clear
to everybody present.
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They cross-examined Fred.
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Immediately, of course,
they zeroed in...
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on his soft or inadequate
academic credentials
for what he was doing.
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The judge made a decision
that could have been
very dangerous to us...
1:03:42
The judge made a decision
that could have been
very dangerous to us...
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in that he said,
"The samples by themselves
are worthless,
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unless the defense
can bring the man
who did the testing. "
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[ Man ]
I went up to Toronto
on very short notice,
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not knowing any
of the background at all
of what was going on.
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They wanted somebody
from the laboratory to say,
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"Yes, we analyzed these samples.
Yes, we produced this report
on the analysis."
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And that's
what I was there to do.
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I don't think
the Leuchter results
have any meaning.
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There's nothing
in any of our data...
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that says those surfaces
were exposed or not.
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Even after I got off the stand,
I didn't know where
the samples came from.
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I didn't know
which samples were which.
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And it was only at lunch
that I found out really
what the case involved.
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Hindsight being 20-20,
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the test was not
the correct one to have
been used for the analysis.