La Pelota vasca. La piel contra la piedra
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the syndrome of "a lack of state"
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of the state that couldn't be
in the 19th century.

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Therefore, Basque nationalism
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is a sense of cohesion,
of belonging to a small country,

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which has been forbidden to them,
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and which they believe is
part of their identity

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and is fighting to get out.
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When the right of belonging
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is not based simply
on the possession of citizenship,

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but has some added component,
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which could be ethnic
or cultural or of any kind,

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then it becomes dangerous
because it starts to exclude others.

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The nation is not
the most important thing.

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What really matters
are people, individuals.

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I think that Basque nationalism,
like almost all others,

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is the expression of fear,
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almost always
the fear of disappearing.

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I want the Basque people
to be preserved,

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I don't want them to be diluted
into history.

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In my conversation with Aznar
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I put all that into context for him,
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and we got to the 20th century.
What happened there?

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A civil war, a military coup,
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Basque Catholics forming
the Basque Government of the time,

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with the Statue of 1936, etc.
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We were accused of being pro-Vatican
but we supported the Republic,

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even though
we didn't approve of it,

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simply out of loyalty
to democracy and liberties.

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Then there was Francoism,
the dictatorship,


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