1:02:00
the syndrome of "a lack of state"
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of the state that couldn't be
in the 19th century.
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Therefore, Basque nationalism
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is a sense of cohesion,
of belonging to a small country,
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which has been forbidden to them,
1:02:16
and which they believe is
part of their identity
1:02:19
and is fighting to get out.
1:02:21
When the right of belonging
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is not based simply
on the possession of citizenship,
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but has some added component,
1:02:31
which could be ethnic
or cultural or of any kind,
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then it becomes dangerous
because it starts to exclude others.
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The nation is not
the most important thing.
1:02:41
What really matters
are people, individuals.
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I think that Basque nationalism,
like almost all others,
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is the expression of fear,
1:02:51
almost always
the fear of disappearing.
1:02:53
I want the Basque people
to be preserved,
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I don't want them to be diluted
into history.
1:03:25
In my conversation with Aznar
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I put all that into context for him,
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and we got to the 20th century.
What happened there?
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A civil war, a military coup,
1:03:35
Basque Catholics forming
the Basque Government of the time,
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with the Statue of 1936, etc.
1:03:43
We were accused of being pro-Vatican
but we supported the Republic,
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even though
we didn't approve of it,
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simply out of loyalty
to democracy and liberties.
1:03:59
Then there was Francoism,
the dictatorship,