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In the 80s, almost 100% of those
arrested alleged ill-treatment.
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That has been greatly exaggerated.
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I'm not saying
there wasn't ill-treatment.
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Jáuregui, the Civil Governor
assassinated by ETA,
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one of the first things he did
was close the cells
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belonging to the Guardia Civil
in San Sebastian
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after he saw them.
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He saw the place,
not the people who were in it,
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just the installations.
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I think that matter
has been settled.
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I think it's a subject
which is gradually
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returning to normal.
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Bear in mind that many of those
arrested at the present time
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do not allege
ill-treatment or torture.
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Amnesty International
and other organizations
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are worried by
the anti-terrorist legislation.
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I think we should be
much more belligerent about torture.
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The legislation allows people
to be held for 5 days incomunicado
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and no one knows
what goes on then.
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We've seen how many young people
are put in prison,
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and then released without charges.
That is a form of violence.
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No one talks about that.
1:24:06
People see all those arrests
as a success for the police,
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because they haven't been told
that those 18 or 20 people
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were tortured, held in isolation
and made statements to a judge,
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but in the end no charges
were brought against them.
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The police would go looking for
someone in particular,
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and if they didn't find him,
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they were capable of arresting
whole families.
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The complaints
being made at present
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are more slogans than reality.
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It's hard to know
if they are false complaints
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or if they can be proven.
Some of them certainly seem real.
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At another moment, they said
they would put electrodes on me.
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I was naked,
they threw water on my back.
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They said: "Do you want
to have more children?"
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Now it's more common
that the complaints are true.
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Some tortures leave no marks
and are very difficult to prove.