Hearts and Minds
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but to come
to some accommodation.

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[Man]
In the beginning of 1968,

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General Westmoreland
needed 206,000 more troops.

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We met hour after hour
after hour in the Pentagon.

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And I started in and asked
theJoint Chiefs of Staff,

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''How long do you think that
we'll still be in the war?''

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None of them knew.
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''Uh, do you think that
the 206,000 men will be enough?''

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Nobody knew.
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''Uh, might we have to send more men?''
''Well, possibly.''

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''Well, in six months?''
''We don't know.''

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''Ayear? Eighteen months?''
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I couldn't get answers
to these questions.

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By the end of that
four-day interrogation,

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I was getting down--by the end of it--
into very serious questions,

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''Do any of you men,
as you look at it objectively,

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do you find any diminution
in the will of the enemy to fight?''

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Well, they said,
''No, we guess we don't.''

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''Are they sending the same number of men
down through the Ho Chi Minh trail?''

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''Well, yes, and even
they might be a little more.''

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''And how about our bombing? We've placed
great reliance on our bombing.

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Is our bombing stopping them?''
''No.''

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''Well, what is the amount of attrition
that our bombing's causing?''

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''Well, maybe 10 to 15 percent.''
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So I remember
asking one question.

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''If a North Vietnamese field commander
in South Vietnam needed 1,000 men--''

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They said, ''Yes.''
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''If he asked for, say, 1,200 men,
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1,000 would get through?''
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''Well, that's right.''
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''Then he'd have the thousand he needed.''
''Well, yes. That's so.''

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Well, this type of interrogation--
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Finally, by the end
of four or five days,

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I must say that my thinking...
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had undergone
a very substantial revolution.

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* All we are saying *

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