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So help me God.
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You may be seated.
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Warden Humson, in a book you wrote,
you refer to the convicts as your children.
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You liken your job to that of a parent,
providing for their physical needs...
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...and molding their character.
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Yes, l wrote that.
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l have a record of a prisoner
named Johnson...
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...who did a total of 500 days
in the lower cells.
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The hole, the dungeon.
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This was over a ten-year period for such
offenses as not finishing all his food...
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...having an extra pair of socks in his cell,
keeping an untidy cell...
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...smuggling food from the dining room,
crumbs, in fact, for a pet lizard.
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ls this what you mean
''molding character''?
1:23:41
No, no, no.
1:23:43
You're twisting things here.
1:23:45
The isolation cells were simply a tool
of a temporary nature...
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...for extreme cases
within the general population.
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Moreover, you make it sound like
the prisoner did 1,500 days at one stretch...
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...for one infraction.
1:24:01
That's not true.
1:24:03
Prisoners were held...
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...for 19 days at a time.
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-That's all.
-That's all.
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Perhaps you can tell me why Henri Young
did over 1,000 days in the dungeon?
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Not 19 days, but 1,000 days...
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...in total darkness with only 30 minutes
of daylight a year.
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He tried to escape.
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You can't compare his offense with that
of a man who smuggled food to a lizard.
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Was this the first time a sentence
of three years had been imposed?
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lt wasn't a sentence.
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lt was an administrative decision
to place him there...
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...for an undetermined amount of time.
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Why not a time limit? Doesn't that seem
a little bit inhumane? No time limit.
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Put simply, no.
1:24:43
While we strive to prevent crime...
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...what should we do with a man
who has committed it?
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We aim to make him his better self.
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His better self.
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l'm sure that Henri Young thanks you
for his better self.
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lt's a fact you simply put Henri Young
in that dungeon and forgot all about him.