:26:02
or on your leg and
gradually move it up,
:26:05
touching private parts.
:26:08
And then over the course of time
we developed a situation
:26:11
where we found out that there
was not only sexual touching
:26:13
of the genitals, but there
were acts of sodomy,
:26:17
oral and anal sodomy,
:26:18
that took place during
the course of the class.
:26:21
So were the kids abused
in the computer room
:26:23
in view of everyone else?
:26:25
From what I saw
in my sessions,
:26:27
none were raped
out on the floor.
:26:30
The kids were raped in Jesse's
room or the bathroom.
:26:34
Just to change the subject
for a second,
:26:36
there were these sexual
computer games
:26:39
that were discussed during
the course of the case.
:26:42
We'd basically do
the games where
:26:45
there would be naked girls
and everything
:26:48
in the computer class.
:26:49
But I remember one time I
slipped one of the games out,
:26:52
and I brought it home
and everything,
:26:53
and I copied it,
and Arnold found out.
:26:55
Because of that, I was raped
:26:56
by him and Jesse at the same
time, as punishment to that.
:26:59
I never did it again.
:27:00
He made me format it.
I formatted it.
:27:02
I had to bring my computer
in and show him
:27:03
that I hadn't brought it home.
:27:05
So he was absolutely positive,
100%, that it was not
:27:08
touched at all in any way,
form, shape whatsoever.
:27:11
And how did he know that
you brought it home?
:27:16
He accounted for
all the disks that were there.
:27:20
And since he flipped
through, he's like,
:27:21
"Who the fuck took this? Tell me
now, or I'm gonna kill you all!"
:27:24
And he had a knife, and he
was waving a knife around.
:27:26
I was like, "I did it!"
:27:30
My general recollection
of the classes
:27:33
is basically a positive one,
is a pleasant one.
:27:36
The types of behaviors
which were described,
:27:38
which were, well, just
downright satanic in nature.
:27:42
I mean, they make him sound like
some kind of brutal sadist,
:27:45
whereas, you know, I had just
always thought of him
:27:47
as being kind of a nebbish.
:27:50
I think, as someone
who took the classes,
:27:52
it was just hard to picture
even that going on,
:27:54
because I did have
a good experience.
:27:56
And I didn't, you know,
see anything, you know,
:27:58
remotely like,