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That was it.
I arrived in Leiza
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and I could see lots
of people milling around,
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the civil guards. They took me
in to where my mother was,
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and my brothers and sisters.
1:09:18
I walked past him,
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but they didn't let me
look at him.
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I guess I'm glad I didn't see him.
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The Basque Government
and nationalism
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haven't been able
to respond to the victims.
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One day, at a lunch with Arzalluz,
I said it to him.
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I think it's a mortal sin.
1:09:53
When the PNV accepts
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that the suffering
of the non-nationalist
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is also their suffering
as the ruling party,
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we'll have taken a big step forward
in understanding.
1:10:06
I'd distinguish
between the victims
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and the victims' associations.
1:10:10
I don't doubt
that he is against ETA,
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in some cases with
that slightly condescending look
1:10:17
with which one regards
a son's sins.
1:10:20
The person who suffers,
the victim, is one thing.
1:10:24
Those who take political advantage,
on one side or the other,
1:10:27
of the suffering of those victims
is another thing.
1:10:31
I have always felt
that I'm a victim twice over.
1:10:35
On the one hand,
a victim of the violence
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and on the other,
1:10:41
a victim of the protectors
and defenders of the victims.
1:10:45
The proof is
there's never been an act
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in which they have truly received
the homage they deserve.
1:10:51
There are nationalist parties
who don't see that sensitivity.
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It may be because they haven't
had to go through