1:33:02
It's just the opposite.
1:33:04
They condition
our legitimate demands
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to whatever ETA sets out.
1:33:11
Leave the subject of independence
to one side
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until ETA has truly disapperared.
1:33:16
Some even suspect
that this would be a good way
1:33:21
to prolong ETA's existence
1:33:24
and prevent any nationalist claims.
1:33:27
If we're waiting
for ETA to disappear,
1:33:32
that doesn't depend on us.
1:33:33
I've spoken to many of them
1:33:35
and it's something they all stress.
1:33:37
They'd rather die than admit
1:33:41
that all those deaths
have been in vain.
1:33:44
The armed struggle
can't end in victory.
1:33:46
Such a victory would be ungovernable
even if it meant independence.
1:33:51
There has been a great confrontation
among our people.
1:33:56
There are moral wounds,
1:33:59
family wounds,
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and I don't know how much time
we'll need for those wounds to heal.
1:34:05
I am absolutely sure
that in that revision
1:34:07
we'll all have things for which
we have to ask forgiveness.
1:34:11
I've got no doubt about that.
1:34:13
ETA has stated very clearly
1:34:16
the conditions under which
it would cease the violence.
1:34:19
The fact is, ETA is suffering
from a terminal illness.
1:34:22
The day Madrid says,
1:34:24
"The Basques
will decide their future
1:34:26
and we will respect
what the Basque people decide".
1:34:29
I have got no objective reason
to believe that,
1:34:32
even if the right
to self-determination is recognized,
1:34:35
they won't think they should
guarantee the exercise of that right
1:34:39
and continue the armed struggle.
1:34:42
It isn't sovereignty.
1:34:43
It's letting
the Basque people decide.
1:34:46
I don't believe them.
1:34:50
The right to self-determination,
on a conceptual level,
1:34:53
has always been clear to the PNV.
1:34:55
It's a basic aim
of all nationalism.
1:34:58
This right has been used,