La Pelota vasca. La piel contra la piedra
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so I lay down
and someone came to help me.

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At that moment, you think
you've been very lucky,

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and despite
the misfortune of it all,

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you've been lucky
to get out of it alive.

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As a result of the explosion
my left leg was amputated.

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And today, thanks to the good luck
that I had,

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and with an artificial limb,
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my life is pretty much the same,
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but I can't practice
sports anymore.

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Journalist, writer, music critic,
editor of "La Vanguardia"

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General Secretary
of United Alava (UA)

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Doctor in Sociology.
Member of Gesture for Peace.

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President of the Spanish
Government, 1982-1996,

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with the Spanish Socialist Party
(PSOE)

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President of Eusko Alkartasuna (EA)
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I believe that ETA is
a deep-rooted, political problem,

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that the Basque conflict
is political,

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and that if it is resolved
politically

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its effects will also be resolved.
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Which is more important,
or more valuable?

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The individual rights
of a person

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or the collective rights
of an abstract Basque people?

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They even deny
the existence of a people,

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because one thing leads to another.
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If you accept there is
a Basque people,

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you accept their collective will,
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their right to decide
for and about themselves.

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So the easiest thing
is to deny it.

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There is no people, no collective
rights, only individual rights.

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ETA is the last manifestation
of an atavistic people.

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In 200 years,
every generation of Basques

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has sufferedjail, exile, torture
and death for political reasons.

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In Shakespeare's "Macbeth" there
is an image of a lake of blood.

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After we've committed
the first murder

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and are submerged in that lake,

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