:55:01
from a constitutionalist source,
if you want to call it that.
:55:06
If ETA, which contaminates
everything, didn't exist,
:55:10
neither the PP nor the PSOE
would be suffering this situation,
:55:15
and, naturally,
the satanisation
:55:20
or criminalisation
of democratic nationalism
:55:23
wouldn't exist either.
:55:25
Every paranoia
needs to invent an enemy
:55:29
against which to discharge
its rage as it were.
:55:32
I'm that enemy.
:55:37
As to whether
:55:39
there is a rising neo-nationalism
or neo-Francoism in Spain,
:55:43
I think it has always existed
:55:46
and what we have here
is a continuity.
:55:49
Closing your eyes
:55:50
to the short and medium term
negative effects
:55:53
of the PP's nationalist
Spanish ideology
:55:56
is not going to help democracy.
:55:59
If you accept that Spain
is not a nation
:56:01
but is a pluri-national state,
:56:04
and that a pact between nations
can form a certain kind of state,
:56:09
then we can talk,
:56:11
because a uni-national Spain
is an extended Castile.
:56:14
The PP has not understood
the Constitution,
:56:17
or the philosophy
that lies behind it.
:56:20
At the time, he voted against
the Constitution,
:56:24
Article 8, because he didn't
understand the autonomies.
:56:26
A party leader who wrote,
in 1979,
:56:30
a vitriolic article
against Article 8
:56:33
in the "Diario de la Rioja",
:56:34
when he worked there
as a Treasury inspector.
:56:37
I've had several long conversations
with Aznar.
:56:39
Look, Jose María,
I think there have been
:56:41
a lot of clichés
and simplistic statements.
:56:45
If you look back at history,
:56:47
the Basques have
always been present
:56:50
in the construction
of the history of Spain,
:56:54
even before the notion
and concept of Spain existed.
:56:59
There were Basques with Colombus
on board his ships,